Comments on: Programmer or Developer? http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/ Hans-Eric Grönlund on software development Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Hacker or Developer? http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-13087 Hacker or Developer? Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:40:53 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-13087 [...] essentially the same distinction I tried to make a while ago, although I used the term Programmer instead of Hacker. Maybe if I’d used the [...] [...] essentially the same distinction I tried to make a while ago, although I used the term Programmer instead of Hacker. Maybe if I’d used the [...]

]]> By: Hans-Eric http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-8124 Hans-Eric Fri, 23 May 2008 09:42:31 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-8124 I'm not sure what you mean with "cum" but the work order you outline suggests you are more of a developer than a programmer, although you could be somewhere close to the middle. I’m not sure what you mean with “cum” but the work order you outline suggests you are more of a developer than a programmer, although you could be somewhere close to the middle.

]]> By: Milan Chheda http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-8120 Milan Chheda Fri, 23 May 2008 08:40:51 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-8120 According to your post, I would be a Software Developer-cum-programer… Well during my Academic career, I had done few projects with my team where I initally started with the research about the project.. followed by selection of the technology then I start with making of GUI(designing and coding).. and finally go for the back-end(coding and bug fixing).. So that means I am Developer-cum-Programmer.. According to your post, I would be a Software Developer-cum-programer…
Well during my Academic career, I had done few projects with my team where I initally started with the research about the project.. followed by selection of the technology then I start with making of GUI(designing and coding).. and finally go for the back-end(coding and bug fixing).. So that means I am Developer-cum-Programmer..

]]> By: www.hans-eric.com » Blog Archive » The Firepower of Teams http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-1189 www.hans-eric.com » Blog Archive » The Firepower of Teams Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:53:16 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-1189 [...] People, it seems, don’t like to be categorized, a fact I too discovered when trying to make a distinction between Developers and Programmers. They especially don’t like to hear that they’re mediocre, not special, or less worth, [...] [...] People, it seems, don’t like to be categorized, a fact I too discovered when trying to make a distinction between Developers and Programmers. They especially don’t like to hear that they’re mediocre, not special, or less worth, [...]

]]> By: Cosmican http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-876 Cosmican Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:01:27 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-876 Well... Here is another term for you to define - 'Software Engineer' :) Well… Here is another term for you to define - ‘Software Engineer’ :)

]]> By: www.hans-eric.com » Blog Archive » The Extinction of Programmers http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-833 www.hans-eric.com » Blog Archive » The Extinction of Programmers Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:49:49 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-833 [...] would, using my definition, make us Developers rather than Programmers. There’ll be, as Alex pointed out, room for less [...] [...] would, using my definition, make us Developers rather than Programmers. There’ll be, as Alex pointed out, room for less [...]

]]> By: www.hans-eric.com » Blog Archive » Tools of The Effective Developer: Customer View http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-286 www.hans-eric.com » Blog Archive » Tools of The Effective Developer: Customer View Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:11:20 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-286 [...] developer is not to write code, it’s to solve the customer’s problem. (Otherwise, using my definitions, he is a programmer and not a developer.) This calls for the habit of taking the customer’s [...] [...] developer is not to write code, it’s to solve the customer’s problem. (Otherwise, using my definitions, he is a programmer and not a developer.) This calls for the habit of taking the customer’s [...]

]]> By: Dave G http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-114 Dave G Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:47:28 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-114 I agree with what Phineus said. Everything in this article is just arbitrary and made up, and from my own experience, it doesn't even ring true. IMO, a much better treatment of this subject can be found here: http://software.ericsink.com/No_Programmers.html I agree with what Phineus said. Everything in this article is just arbitrary and made up, and from my own experience, it doesn’t even ring true. IMO, a much better treatment of this subject can be found here:

http://software.ericsink.com/No_Programmers.html

]]> By: Randy Aldrich http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-111 Randy Aldrich Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:21:58 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-111 I Myself am a Software Engineer. I don't fit siloed in either of the two categories you described. I find myself most concerned with the User Interface, however I also find that a good design yields a good implementation. I believe myself to be a good designer and pride myself on maintainability but still have the knowledge of "what the compiler does behind the scenes" which helps me during implementation. I find your statement "they are rarely found within the same individual" to be quite odd as I work with many people who have the strengths of both. I believe what you described as a Software Developer most often also comes with the strengths of a Software Programmer, although it does not always go the other way around. I know many excellent programmers which lack the skills to develop a good user interface or a good overall system design. In the end I think there are three levels not two different roles. I may get a lot of hate for that but I truly believe that's how it is. I Myself am a Software Engineer. I don’t fit siloed in either of the two categories you described. I find myself most concerned with the User Interface, however I also find that a good design yields a good implementation.

I believe myself to be a good designer and pride myself on maintainability but still have the knowledge of “what the compiler does behind the scenes” which helps me during implementation. I find your statement “they are rarely found within the same individual” to be quite odd as I work with many people who have the strengths of both.

I believe what you described as a Software Developer most often also comes with the strengths of a Software Programmer, although it does not always go the other way around. I know many excellent programmers which lack the skills to develop a good user interface or a good overall system design.

In the end I think there are three levels not two different roles. I may get a lot of hate for that but I truly believe that’s how it is.

]]> By: Hans-Eric http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-105 Hans-Eric Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:43:17 +0000 http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/04/programmer-or-developer/#comment-105 Phineus: Well, the point could be to enrich the language, and not to kill the nuances. For instance, the difference between chance and risk in the following sentence: There is a chance/risk of him not surviving the surgery.... Hm, is this what navel-gazing means? Maybe you have a point after all :-) Randy: I buy into your definition of a software engineer. And your other point as well :-) Mario: Simply because the GUI is the best way in which you can communicate the application with the users, but it's true that the domain model should be clear from the gui/prototype, or from the test cases. But I agree with you that the business layer should be separate from the gui. That is just common sense. bj: As I said, both types are needed, so they should be paid equally. I don't think you meant semantical though, since that means kind of - well - significant meaning. But I see what you mean, and I also agree - a little ;-) Thanks for the comment. Phineus: Well, the point could be to enrich the language, and not to kill the nuances. For instance, the difference between chance and risk in the following sentence: There is a chance/risk of him not surviving the surgery…. Hm, is this what navel-gazing means? Maybe you have a point after all :-)

Randy: I buy into your definition of a software engineer. And your other point as well :-)

Mario: Simply because the GUI is the best way in which you can communicate the application with the users, but it’s true that the domain model should be clear from the gui/prototype, or from the test cases. But I agree with you that the business layer should be separate from the gui. That is just common sense.

bj: As I said, both types are needed, so they should be paid equally. I don’t think you meant semantical though, since that means kind of - well - significant meaning. But I see what you mean, and I also agree - a little ;-) Thanks for the comment.

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